tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post1563693017472925560..comments2023-10-16T06:10:08.321-04:00Comments on Heartlessgamer.com: Happiness Doesn't Last Foreverheartlessgamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-47004034594636037202008-07-18T10:35:00.000-04:002008-07-18T10:35:00.000-04:00Again, you can't judge him by "taking away" what p...Again, you can't judge him by "taking away" what puts him in the top 10, and that is the fact he has always been there on Sunday. <BR/><BR/>It is unfortunate for Favre that a few high-profile interceptions and the interceptions record stick out in some people's mind.<BR/><BR/>"Well when you stack his stats against other top 10 QBs, he comes up short all too often."<BR/><BR/>I found this one laughable. Stack his stats against other quarterbacks. If you have, you should realize his numbers are higher than any other quarterback, hence how he holds most of the records. <BR/><BR/>Also, if you watched Favre in his early career, he is easily comparable to Brady or Peyton Manning of this era, but NEVER did he have the supporting casts that Manning or especially Brady. I think the pace will flatten out for Brady and Manning, just as it did for Favre. We'll see what happens when they hit ten years and aren't surrounded by pro-bowlers.<BR/><BR/>To me, Marino and Favre have the same argument to the top 10 list. They both did the majority of the work themselves, whether through leadership or outstanding play.heartlessgamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-46146427324044582302008-07-18T10:14:00.000-04:002008-07-18T10:14:00.000-04:00Well when you stack his stats against other top 10...Well when you stack his stats against other top 10 QBs, he comes up short all too often.<BR/><BR/>Again, about the only thing that sets Favre apart from average joe QB is that he stayed healthy for 16 years. It's a great accomplishment, but it's his one distinguishing feature.<BR/><BR/>All his records and stats are not based off amazing seasons, but rather from 16 average to above average seasons. He never came close to dominating like Brady has, or being consistently top 3 like Marino, Manning, or Young over the span of 5+ years.<BR/><BR/>And while all QBs throw interceptions, no one is more famous for horrible judgment calls like Favre is. He has carried teams into the playoffs only to single-handedly give a game away. It's hard to justify greatness when you have that on your resume.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-2204423533608991982008-07-17T14:48:00.000-04:002008-07-17T14:48:00.000-04:00Syncaine, a few problems with your assertion that ...Syncaine, a few problems with your assertion that he is overrated. <BR/><BR/>Problem: he DID play those six years you are trying to remove from him. <BR/><BR/>Problem: he holds MOST of the all-time quarterback records, without EVER having an all-star cast to support.<BR/><BR/>Problem: he is the most publicly faced quarterback in NFL history, intensifying any situation that he becomes involved in.<BR/><BR/>Problem: people will argue blue to the face that Dan Marino is a top 5 quarterback, without him ever having won a championship. So, at some point championships have to be tossed out for all those being considered.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>Lets call Favre for what he is: a great player. To be great, I don't think any player can be considered overrated. He threw his fair share of bad throws, but so has every other quarterback. What amazes me, and many others, about Favre, is that he has been able to always come back. <BR/><BR/>At any one point he could of slid into a funk that could of lead to early retirement, a flaw attributed to almost every other single quarterback ever to play the game. In that respect, through sixteen (+) years, Favre is guaranteed a spot in the top 10.heartlessgamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-89006915485801412722008-07-17T13:44:00.000-04:002008-07-17T13:44:00.000-04:00Favre is amazingly overrated, and far from a lock ...Favre is amazingly overrated, and far from a lock to be called a 'winner'. Yes he won a single super bowl, but look at his overall playoff number. He has a QB rating of 60ish, which is terrible. He is a 'gunslinger', responsible for some of the most god awful interceptions in NFL history.<BR/><BR/>And worst of all, he has handcuffed the Packers for the last three years, continuing to drag them along, topped off with his crying scam of a retirement.<BR/><BR/>He is a good, not great quarterback that lasted a long time. Remove any 6 years, and no one is talking about Favre being top 25, let alone top 10.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully (although unlikely) he ends up not playing this year, and we won't have to read/see a Favre update every single SportCenter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-12331503263882141052008-07-16T20:56:00.000-04:002008-07-16T20:56:00.000-04:00This isn't about Aaron Rodgers, this is about a yo...This isn't about Aaron Rodgers, this is about a young team that needs to move on. I don't see the Favre controversy helping honestly. Favre is very tough to read in this and I am still not sure what he is getting at. He talks, but doesn't move on the actions required to actually come back. <BR/><BR/>I think, as a team, the 08 Packers are better off without Favre atm.heartlessgamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-37451198764849500122008-07-16T20:20:00.000-04:002008-07-16T20:20:00.000-04:00I'll still be a Packers fan, so my heart lies trul...<I>I'll still be a Packers fan, so my heart lies truly, deeply with the team and organization.</I><BR/><BR/>Do Packers fans really truly believe that the team is better off under Aaron Rodgers this year than Brett Favre? <BR/><BR/>I honestly want to know. I mean from an objective point of view, there isn't anyone outside of Wisconsin that believes an unproven player like Rodgers is a better choice than Favre.<BR/><BR/>Most of us are left to conclude that it's only the hubris and ego of Ted Thompson and the organization that is shutting him out. <BR/><BR/>You talk about what's best for the team, but have any teammates been shouting down Brett? Has Aaron Rodgers complained?<BR/><BR/>I ask about how Packers fans really feel because Shaun Alexander took a lot of undeserved shots on his way out here in Seattle. I wonder if this is less about players and more about fans simply not accepting any exit other than the storybook ending.sid67https://www.blogger.com/profile/16656756657483499337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-57901942984514171792008-07-16T18:52:00.000-04:002008-07-16T18:52:00.000-04:00re: Owens...I know all about Owens as an Eagles fa...re: Owens...<BR/><BR/>I know all about Owens as an Eagles fan :-/<BR/><BR/>It is sad that he may likely go out like Montana, on another team. I don't see any way the Packers can have him start now. They probably won't release him as he could end up with the Bears. That would be quite strange...<BR/><BR/>Trade would be the only real possibility. GB, just offer him a job.Werithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056359899037938476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-36573518235567566482008-07-16T12:53:00.000-04:002008-07-16T12:53:00.000-04:00Also, Brett Favre gets a lot of national media lov...Also, Brett Favre gets a lot of national media love, because too many idiots have made predictions against him only to get literally shot down by the Favre the following week with another winning performance on the field. Favre is a tough cookie to talk bad about.heartlessgamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-52068674567392153802008-07-16T12:51:00.000-04:002008-07-16T12:51:00.000-04:00werit, I would rather have you not like him than b...werit, <BR/><BR/>I would rather have you not like him than blindly love him. That irritates me more than anything. I wear Packer t-shirts religiously, because I can get away with it at my job, and I can't stand the Favre comments I get sometimes, especially during football season. <BR/><BR/>I hate hearing "OMFG did you see what Favre did?". Yes I did, but lets talk about what the Packers did. I am the biggest Favre fan you will ever find, have met the man, and truly enjoy watching him play, and survive the media circus that is his personal life. <BR/><BR/>But I am a Packers fan deep down inside and in twenty years, I'll still be a Packers fan, so my heart lies truly, deeply with the team and organization. I don't ever want to put one guy, even one as great as Favre, above the team.<BR/><BR/>The Favre years were great, and it is just a bit sad to have a bad taste here at the end, regardless of how it turns out.heartlessgamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-38621233220307216462008-07-16T11:49:00.000-04:002008-07-16T11:49:00.000-04:00The reason for it is really nothing he did, but th...<I>The reason for it is really nothing he did, but the over the top love of him by announcers and sports media. He was a good quarterback, no doubts about it, but great? eh.</I><BR/><BR/>I understand the sentiment, I have the same dislike for Joe Montana and Tiger Woods for the exact same reason. Of course, they are still great even if I don't like them.<BR/><BR/>My definition of great is simple: <B>Winning</B>. Brett Favre is great not because of any record he broke, but because his team had a much better chance of winning in the 4th quarter if he was on the field. The guy is simply a Winner, as he once again proved last year. <BR/><BR/>It's a real travesty that such a person is being treated as a malcontent like Terrell Owens. I'm not saying that Favre is a saint with all the waffling, but Packers fans should be outraged that he is not being invited back to camp with open arms.sid67https://www.blogger.com/profile/16656756657483499337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-80528003774102276332008-07-16T10:29:00.000-04:002008-07-16T10:29:00.000-04:00I will likely be hated for this, but I do not like...I will likely be hated for this, but I do not like Brett Farve. The reason for it is really nothing he did, but the over the top love of him by announcers and sports media. He was a good quarterback, no doubts about it, but great? eh. He had longevity, which is impressive, which allowed him to break the records (along with some skill).<BR/><BR/>He retired on top in a way. He should leave it at that. He cried at his press conference announcement about retiring, great moment , yada yada... it is over. <BR/><BR/>What he should do is try to come back as a coach or to the GB organization in another facility. <BR/><BR/>I can't take another season of Brett goodbyes. :)Werithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056359899037938476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-83627813883589072462008-07-15T21:06:00.000-04:002008-07-15T21:06:00.000-04:00Favre will be remembered as a great quarterback, m...Favre will be remembered as a great quarterback, maybe the best ever for Green Bay. I don't know, but it definitely is leaving a bad taste in my mouth so far: ON BOTH SIDES. I just think, in the end, history and the fans will judge the team for what they did and if Favre is shown to have potentially caused problems... then Favre could suffer a hit to the legacy.heartlessgamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02809717223567961650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-40081431694299478032008-07-15T18:57:00.000-04:002008-07-15T18:57:00.000-04:00I‘ll put this another way… Do you give the Terrel...I‘ll put this another way… Do you give the Terrell Owens treatment to arguably the best player in your franchise history because he decides to unretire? Now consider that he is un-retiring after having an all-pro year!! In my mind, that’s cause for celebration, not scorn.sid67https://www.blogger.com/profile/16656756657483499337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13266751.post-3289849962669006922008-07-15T18:54:00.000-04:002008-07-15T18:54:00.000-04:00Speaking as a sports fan with no vested interest i...Speaking as a sports fan with no vested interest in Favre (quite the contrary since he sent my Seahawks home…again), I think he’s being unfairly mistreated by the Packer’s organization. He is your Hall-of-Fame quarterback, you can’t simply <I>IGNORE</I> him. The Packers can move on, if they choose, but they can’t simply ignore the man because they neither want him on the team nor on any other team. I don’t think it sullies Favre’s legacy in the least that he’s pissed off about it. Honestly, if I am a Packers fan, I’m pretty pissed off that they aren’t bringing him back to camp. Let’s see… Hall of Fame QB coming off a pro-bowl season or eighteen minutes of NFL experience?sid67https://www.blogger.com/profile/16656756657483499337noreply@blogger.com